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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was robbed of my Japan life after only 9 months of the promised 3 years...  I wont get into details of why.

What I miss the most:

EVERYTHING!!!  I&#039;ve been back &#039;stateside&#039; for a year now and still have many days where all I can think about is how much I love Japan and how much I want to go back!

I miss earthquakes and typhoons, rainstorms that last for days, pea gravel playgrounds, yen stores and my Ofuro.  I miss walking and biking, hot muggy days and nights.  I miss neighbors that visit with eachother, and people that actually sweep the streets in front of their own houses.  I miss sorting my garbage into 8 catagories and tying to remember which one to take out each morning.  I miss moth balls and emptying dehumidifiers twice a day.  I miss festivals and history and tradition.  I miss people taking ownership and responsibility.  I miss bug spray and sunscreen used daily.  I miss bamboo forests and concrete edged canals through town.  I miss driving on the left on roads just barely wide enough for 2 cars, and I miss having Japanese to talk to as I try to learn Japanese.  I know there are so many more things that I miss, I just can&#039;t think of them all now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was robbed of my Japan life after only 9 months of the promised 3 years&#8230;  I wont get into details of why.</p>
<p>What I miss the most:</p>
<p>EVERYTHING!!!  I&#8217;ve been back &#8216;stateside&#8217; for a year now and still have many days where all I can think about is how much I love Japan and how much I want to go back!</p>
<p>I miss earthquakes and typhoons, rainstorms that last for days, pea gravel playgrounds, yen stores and my Ofuro.  I miss walking and biking, hot muggy days and nights.  I miss neighbors that visit with eachother, and people that actually sweep the streets in front of their own houses.  I miss sorting my garbage into 8 catagories and tying to remember which one to take out each morning.  I miss moth balls and emptying dehumidifiers twice a day.  I miss festivals and history and tradition.  I miss people taking ownership and responsibility.  I miss bug spray and sunscreen used daily.  I miss bamboo forests and concrete edged canals through town.  I miss driving on the left on roads just barely wide enough for 2 cars, and I miss having Japanese to talk to as I try to learn Japanese.  I know there are so many more things that I miss, I just can&#8217;t think of them all now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello - 
I have lived in Japan for 15 years. 

I&#039;ve decided to move back to the US because I have the same feelings as Robert McKinney above - the things that &#039;distress&#039; me about living in Japan will only get worse as I grow older. 

I have a Japanese wife and three &quot;half&quot; kids. I&#039;m 41 years old. 
I will be moving back to the US this year to Seattle. 

I was fortunate enough to work in a foreign company (well, foreign owned and foreign management style - there are only two &#039;gaijin&#039; out of 170 employees) so I have had the freedom to be self driven and forge a pretty good career. 

I have a permanent residency visa. I speak Japanese fluently (JPLT level 1) and in addition to my day job work as a freelance J-E translator on the side. 


We live in a suburb north of the city, about an hour commute to my office. We used to own a house (about 115sqm in size, cost about 40 million yen) - pretty large by Japanese standards, but shoddy and small compared even the smallest and cheapest suburban houses in the US: insufficient storage space, no central heating, drafty windows and doors, poor insulation, tiny food preparation area in the kitchen, no enclosed garage, not a square inch of unpaved ground outside the house, no front yard, no back yard, 50cm distance between my window and the neighbor&#039;s window, tiny street out front so narrow that a bicycle can barely pass a car coming the other direction....the list goes on. And this house was only FIFTEEN years old when we sold it. Fifteen year old houses in the US are _nice_. People complain that houses in places like Sydney or west coast US cities are more expensive than Japan - but look at all you are getting. If they sold Japanese-quality houses in the US, I could probably get one in a prime location for about $50,000. 

Over the years I have grown apathetic of permanently living in Japan. I like all the things about Japan that everyone has stated above - the food, the service, the polite people, general safety-ness, cleanliness, fun shopping, super fast home delivery service, everything is close by, etc... 

So after thinking about it for about 3 years and agonizing over the thought with my wife, I finally decided to make the move. She speaks English well and went to university in the US for a couple years, but that&#039;s a completely different life from what we have now. She is practically giving herself a nervous breakdown being worried about whether she&#039;ll like it and how she&#039;ll do. 

I could stay here a while longer if I had to (the pay for my job in Japan is a lot better), but my wife says she&#039;s getting old and wants to move before she gets too old and set in her ways. 

I&#039;m also worried whether she&#039;ll be able to adjust, but I just really believe that the US will accept a Japanese transplant far more receptively than Japan will accept an 80 year old foreigner... 

I didn&#039;t always think like this. I don&#039;t remember it now, but my wife says that I told her I wanted to retire in Japan when I was 28 years old or so! 

So if you are thinking about moving permanently to Japan, think far, far, ahead and really seriously contemplate. 

And --- I would love to hear from any of you reading this who made the move to the US but ended up moving back again - what was it about the US (or Japan) that made you reach this decision? I&#039;m really scared that I&#039;m going to love being back in the US but have to consider moving back to Japan because my wife can&#039;t stand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello &#8211;<br />
I have lived in Japan for 15 years. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve decided to move back to the US because I have the same feelings as Robert McKinney above &#8211; the things that &#8216;distress&#8217; me about living in Japan will only get worse as I grow older. </p>
<p>I have a Japanese wife and three &#8220;half&#8221; kids. I&#8217;m 41 years old.<br />
I will be moving back to the US this year to Seattle. </p>
<p>I was fortunate enough to work in a foreign company (well, foreign owned and foreign management style &#8211; there are only two &#8216;gaijin&#8217; out of 170 employees) so I have had the freedom to be self driven and forge a pretty good career. </p>
<p>I have a permanent residency visa. I speak Japanese fluently (JPLT level 1) and in addition to my day job work as a freelance J-E translator on the side. </p>
<p>We live in a suburb north of the city, about an hour commute to my office. We used to own a house (about 115sqm in size, cost about 40 million yen) &#8211; pretty large by Japanese standards, but shoddy and small compared even the smallest and cheapest suburban houses in the US: insufficient storage space, no central heating, drafty windows and doors, poor insulation, tiny food preparation area in the kitchen, no enclosed garage, not a square inch of unpaved ground outside the house, no front yard, no back yard, 50cm distance between my window and the neighbor&#8217;s window, tiny street out front so narrow that a bicycle can barely pass a car coming the other direction&#8230;.the list goes on. And this house was only FIFTEEN years old when we sold it. Fifteen year old houses in the US are _nice_. People complain that houses in places like Sydney or west coast US cities are more expensive than Japan &#8211; but look at all you are getting. If they sold Japanese-quality houses in the US, I could probably get one in a prime location for about $50,000. </p>
<p>Over the years I have grown apathetic of permanently living in Japan. I like all the things about Japan that everyone has stated above &#8211; the food, the service, the polite people, general safety-ness, cleanliness, fun shopping, super fast home delivery service, everything is close by, etc&#8230; </p>
<p>So after thinking about it for about 3 years and agonizing over the thought with my wife, I finally decided to make the move. She speaks English well and went to university in the US for a couple years, but that&#8217;s a completely different life from what we have now. She is practically giving herself a nervous breakdown being worried about whether she&#8217;ll like it and how she&#8217;ll do. </p>
<p>I could stay here a while longer if I had to (the pay for my job in Japan is a lot better), but my wife says she&#8217;s getting old and wants to move before she gets too old and set in her ways. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also worried whether she&#8217;ll be able to adjust, but I just really believe that the US will accept a Japanese transplant far more receptively than Japan will accept an 80 year old foreigner&#8230; </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t always think like this. I don&#8217;t remember it now, but my wife says that I told her I wanted to retire in Japan when I was 28 years old or so! </p>
<p>So if you are thinking about moving permanently to Japan, think far, far, ahead and really seriously contemplate. </p>
<p>And &#8212; I would love to hear from any of you reading this who made the move to the US but ended up moving back again &#8211; what was it about the US (or Japan) that made you reach this decision? I&#8217;m really scared that I&#8217;m going to love being back in the US but have to consider moving back to Japan because my wife can&#8217;t stand it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have sat here and read such a diversity of opinions from each, both positive and negative. Is the question of moving back to Japan still valid after three years? Only you can make the choice, only you can decide how you will feel. I am fortunate I guess in that I have a Japanese wife who is a financial wiz which allows us to return to Japan at least once a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have sat here and read such a diversity of opinions from each, both positive and negative. Is the question of moving back to Japan still valid after three years? Only you can make the choice, only you can decide how you will feel. I am fortunate I guess in that I have a Japanese wife who is a financial wiz which allows us to return to Japan at least once a year.</p>
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		<title>By: gman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually feel sorry for Mr. McKinney, 25 years of frustration. Did his wife force him into staying??  did he lead an isolated life? Did he not realise sooner he cant wage a psychological battle against the society of a whole country?
Well its taken him 25 yrs to meet his own conclusion thru that frustration, so he did finally get the message.

I wonder what his comments on life, and his own country will be after 25 years back home.

Hopefully his approach to people has improved somewhat. 

please keep us posted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually feel sorry for Mr. McKinney, 25 years of frustration. Did his wife force him into staying??  did he lead an isolated life? Did he not realise sooner he cant wage a psychological battle against the society of a whole country?<br />
Well its taken him 25 yrs to meet his own conclusion thru that frustration, so he did finally get the message.</p>
<p>I wonder what his comments on life, and his own country will be after 25 years back home.</p>
<p>Hopefully his approach to people has improved somewhat. </p>
<p>please keep us posted!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

Thanks for your very honest comments.

I am currently pondering a move back to Japan and your comment moved me to thinking. The most I&#039;ve spent in Japan is 2 years, and even then I felt a bit of what you talk about. The thing is I still have the desire to move back.

I&#039;m wondering what made you stay for 25 years when you were able to see so many negative aspects and realized that you would never be accepted?

Also, I&#039;m interested if there are any foreigners that have found a lifestyle that makes them happy in Japan, assuming that acceptance is not an option.

For example, playing up your role as the foreigner and taking advantage of the benefits that come with that (i.e. Bobby Olgun as a gaijin talent on T.V. who fakes his inability in Japanese), or finding some group in Japan that can accept you for your skills and look beyond your ethnicity... I don&#039;t know...

Also I&#039;m wondering if living in Tokyo vs. the countryside would exacerbate this effect.

I hope to hear everyone&#039;s comments on this issue. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>Thanks for your very honest comments.</p>
<p>I am currently pondering a move back to Japan and your comment moved me to thinking. The most I&#8217;ve spent in Japan is 2 years, and even then I felt a bit of what you talk about. The thing is I still have the desire to move back.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering what made you stay for 25 years when you were able to see so many negative aspects and realized that you would never be accepted?</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m interested if there are any foreigners that have found a lifestyle that makes them happy in Japan, assuming that acceptance is not an option.</p>
<p>For example, playing up your role as the foreigner and taking advantage of the benefits that come with that (i.e. Bobby Olgun as a gaijin talent on T.V. who fakes his inability in Japanese), or finding some group in Japan that can accept you for your skills and look beyond your ethnicity&#8230; I don&#8217;t know&#8230;</p>
<p>Also I&#8217;m wondering if living in Tokyo vs. the countryside would exacerbate this effect.</p>
<p>I hope to hear everyone&#8217;s comments on this issue. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert McKinney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert McKinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having lived in Japan for nearly twenty-five years, that&#039;s right, twenty-five years, I might
be the most Japanized expatriate to write a message.  No, I don&#039;t feel at &#039;home&#039; in Japan, no gaijin can win acceptance in this culture. The longer a foreign resident lives in Japan, the more the natives seem to resent his presence. The Japanese prefer their &quot;gaijin&quot; to be
youngish, cute, completely  naive, and most importantly &quot;just passing through&quot; (foreigner beware - settle in Japan at your own risk).  Japan is for the Japanese. Their attitude  is  insular, with varying degrees of xenophobia and  their society has a long history of being  tribal. The western concepts of &quot;assimilation&quot; and
&quot;acculturation&quot; are alien to most Japanese. The oddest sort of gaijin is the one who breaks the racial and cultural taboos by actually applying for and being granted Japanese citizenship, which also means forsaking one&#039;s past nationality. In Japan you cannot have
dual citizenship. I suppose in the minds of most Japanese, how could any person claim to
be both an &#039;insider&#039; Japanese and an &quot;outsider&quot; gaijin? It is a contradiction or even an
affront to the identity of all natives in Japan. Thus, holding two passports is unthinkable if you&#039;re a Japanese citizen.   Japanese wives? My wife is Japanese. She feels very awkward around most gaijin but thinks that she wants to live in America? Go figure. She&#039;s fluent in English but terrified of
socializing with foreigners, terrible inferiority complex. I don&#039;t think she&#039;ll ever be happy living anywhere but Japan.  Hafu or mixed race kids? Not in Japan.  The Japanese are still very much race conscious and love the idea of their glorious Yamato racial purity. The
current PM of Japan, Taro &#039;the&#039; Aso, said as much when he remarked a few years ago
that &quot;Japan is one culture, one civilization, one language and ONE RACE&quot;.  His ex-Minister of
Trade and Transportation, Nariaki Nakayama, lost his job in late 2008 for saying this:
&quot;Japanese don&#039;t like or desire foreigners (gaijin)&quot;.  Again, the fool was the minister for
tourism!!  No, I wouldn&#039;t recommend that you live in Japan for twenty-five years. It will not
bring any enlightenment. It will not bring satori. You&#039;ll just be an older gaijin and thus, still an outsider. Though most Japanese will look upon you as an eccentric old gaijin, with a mixture of contempt and pity, &quot;poor fool didn&#039;t have sense enough to go home after a few years despite all the hints we dropped&quot;.  I do have permanent residence visa status in Japan and would have no difficulty living here into very old age. 
         Living did I say, it is more like a lving death.  The food is nice. The climate mild. Travel is pleasant. But no,  you&#039;ll not feel at home in Japan, not ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having lived in Japan for nearly twenty-five years, that&#8217;s right, twenty-five years, I might<br />
be the most Japanized expatriate to write a message.  No, I don&#8217;t feel at &#8216;home&#8217; in Japan, no gaijin can win acceptance in this culture. The longer a foreign resident lives in Japan, the more the natives seem to resent his presence. The Japanese prefer their &#8220;gaijin&#8221; to be<br />
youngish, cute, completely  naive, and most importantly &#8220;just passing through&#8221; (foreigner beware &#8211; settle in Japan at your own risk).  Japan is for the Japanese. Their attitude  is  insular, with varying degrees of xenophobia and  their society has a long history of being  tribal. The western concepts of &#8220;assimilation&#8221; and<br />
&#8220;acculturation&#8221; are alien to most Japanese. The oddest sort of gaijin is the one who breaks the racial and cultural taboos by actually applying for and being granted Japanese citizenship, which also means forsaking one&#8217;s past nationality. In Japan you cannot have<br />
dual citizenship. I suppose in the minds of most Japanese, how could any person claim to<br />
be both an &#8216;insider&#8217; Japanese and an &#8220;outsider&#8221; gaijin? It is a contradiction or even an<br />
affront to the identity of all natives in Japan. Thus, holding two passports is unthinkable if you&#8217;re a Japanese citizen.   Japanese wives? My wife is Japanese. She feels very awkward around most gaijin but thinks that she wants to live in America? Go figure. She&#8217;s fluent in English but terrified of<br />
socializing with foreigners, terrible inferiority complex. I don&#8217;t think she&#8217;ll ever be happy living anywhere but Japan.  Hafu or mixed race kids? Not in Japan.  The Japanese are still very much race conscious and love the idea of their glorious Yamato racial purity. The<br />
current PM of Japan, Taro &#8216;the&#8217; Aso, said as much when he remarked a few years ago<br />
that &#8220;Japan is one culture, one civilization, one language and ONE RACE&#8221;.  His ex-Minister of<br />
Trade and Transportation, Nariaki Nakayama, lost his job in late 2008 for saying this:<br />
&#8220;Japanese don&#8217;t like or desire foreigners (gaijin)&#8221;.  Again, the fool was the minister for<br />
tourism!!  No, I wouldn&#8217;t recommend that you live in Japan for twenty-five years. It will not<br />
bring any enlightenment. It will not bring satori. You&#8217;ll just be an older gaijin and thus, still an outsider. Though most Japanese will look upon you as an eccentric old gaijin, with a mixture of contempt and pity, &#8220;poor fool didn&#8217;t have sense enough to go home after a few years despite all the hints we dropped&#8221;.  I do have permanent residence visa status in Japan and would have no difficulty living here into very old age.<br />
         Living did I say, it is more like a lving death.  The food is nice. The climate mild. Travel is pleasant. But no,  you&#8217;ll not feel at home in Japan, not ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Arion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool. Thanks. I think I&#039;ve got all I needed to start planning the trip. Appreciate the help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool. Thanks. I think I&#8217;ve got all I needed to start planning the trip. Appreciate the help!</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends how you learn best. Books on your own? Classes at a local school? There is a lot of software to help you learn Japanese. I can&#039;t speak to the grammar and vocabulary parts, but some kind of flash card system would be good for learning the kana (phonetic character sets), and probably helpful for learning kanji (Chinese-based characters) too.

That said, if you can find a Japanese person to practice with, that would be very, very useful, because speaking and listening is vastly different from just dealing with the written word.

My brother found a Japanese teacher (in a small Canadian town of 15,000) for his daughter, who wanted to learn, so you should be able to find one too, wherever you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends how you learn best. Books on your own? Classes at a local school? There is a lot of software to help you learn Japanese. I can&#8217;t speak to the grammar and vocabulary parts, but some kind of flash card system would be good for learning the kana (phonetic character sets), and probably helpful for learning kanji (Chinese-based characters) too.</p>
<p>That said, if you can find a Japanese person to practice with, that would be very, very useful, because speaking and listening is vastly different from just dealing with the written word.</p>
<p>My brother found a Japanese teacher (in a small Canadian town of 15,000) for his daughter, who wanted to learn, so you should be able to find one too, wherever you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Arion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham,

I&#039;ve been to New York a few times, and I got to admit, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the tram system was a million times better. As for learning the language, what would you recommend? Aside from actually living in the country, i mean. What would be some ways to start learning standard Japanese?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to New York a few times, and I got to admit, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the tram system was a million times better. As for learning the language, what would you recommend? Aside from actually living in the country, i mean. What would be some ways to start learning standard Japanese?</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arion,

That sounds like a realistic approach. Give yourself time to learn what to expect (#1: the unexpected!). You can also start learning the language, too.

Definitely the most common mode of transportation is train. You will not believe just how many people are moved around, how quickly and efficiently. And you&#039;ll wonder why we can&#039;t do it nearly as well on this side of the Pacific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arion,</p>
<p>That sounds like a realistic approach. Give yourself time to learn what to expect (#1: the unexpected!). You can also start learning the language, too.</p>
<p>Definitely the most common mode of transportation is train. You will not believe just how many people are moved around, how quickly and efficiently. And you&#8217;ll wonder why we can&#8217;t do it nearly as well on this side of the Pacific.</p>
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