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	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Arion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy... to hear him talk about it makes it sound kind of like heaven! Can't wait to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy&#8230; to hear him talk about it makes it sound kind of like heaven! Can&#8217;t wait to go.</p>
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		<title>By: bonsaiooji</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 06:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue, J-Rock, Shari,

thanks for your well-balanced consideration.

I'm German, living for four years now in Japan. I came here with a "elevated" opinion about Japanese culture, technical development, society etc. This caused finally the "disillusionment" Shari is talking about.

My little daughter visits 2nd grade of primary school now, while my elder (Japanese step-) daughter finishes (private) senior high school. She was visiting a German grammar school before (3 years), so we definately have a direct comparison of both educational systems. J-Rock, your statement "“3-4 years ahead”? That is utter rubbish" is absolutely correct, also from the point of view of my (elder) daughter. She loved the Western style of challenge and critical consideration at an European school.

Also let me tell you that I work in a German engineering company - the only non-engineer amoung Japanese engineer colleagues. Once creativity is required, they're totally helpless, leaving the path of what they have learned "by heart".

Maybe the problem is mainly caused by the Japanese government in a sense of presenting themselves towards the rest of the world. The way they do makes people believe that everything in this country is perfect. At least to me it had this impact. Since I was a boy I've been a Japan-fan.

I also want to emphasize here that my intention is NOT to draw a "good - bad" picture (although they stole my motorbike and my navigation out of my car here). All we should learn is to respect each other within a healthy!!! national pride (please don't mistake with "Nationalism"!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue, J-Rock, Shari,</p>
<p>thanks for your well-balanced consideration.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m German, living for four years now in Japan. I came here with a &#8220;elevated&#8221; opinion about Japanese culture, technical development, society etc. This caused finally the &#8220;disillusionment&#8221; Shari is talking about.</p>
<p>My little daughter visits 2nd grade of primary school now, while my elder (Japanese step-) daughter finishes (private) senior high school. She was visiting a German grammar school before (3 years), so we definately have a direct comparison of both educational systems. J-Rock, your statement &#8220;“3-4 years ahead”? That is utter rubbish&#8221; is absolutely correct, also from the point of view of my (elder) daughter. She loved the Western style of challenge and critical consideration at an European school.</p>
<p>Also let me tell you that I work in a German engineering company - the only non-engineer amoung Japanese engineer colleagues. Once creativity is required, they&#8217;re totally helpless, leaving the path of what they have learned &#8220;by heart&#8221;.</p>
<p>Maybe the problem is mainly caused by the Japanese government in a sense of presenting themselves towards the rest of the world. The way they do makes people believe that everything in this country is perfect. At least to me it had this impact. Since I was a boy I&#8217;ve been a Japan-fan.</p>
<p>I also want to emphasize here that my intention is NOT to draw a &#8220;good - bad&#8221; picture (although they stole my motorbike and my navigation out of my car here). All we should learn is to respect each other within a healthy!!! national pride (please don&#8217;t mistake with &#8220;Nationalism&#8221;!).</p>
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		<title>By: Shari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems this article suffers from balance issues and too much generalization, particularly of the negative aspects of the U.S. (and possibly the U.K. - I've never been there so I can't say).

One mistake everyone makes about the U.S. is seeing it as one country represented by its popular culture, politics, and more outspoken speakers. The U.S. is not culturally unified in any way. It's a huge place and different areas have very different ways of life and styles of thinking. It's more like 5 countries in one (7 if you consider Alaska and Hawaii are also vastly different from the mainland) with a lot of sub-divisions within each "country". On top of that, rural living is vastly different from urban living and there are more people living in rural areas than urban ones.

Life is not nearly as mercenary in the U.S. as is indicated by the author of this post and people aren't all running around killing each other or waving guns around. I never experienced any type of crime in the U.S., not even a petty theft. In Japan, I've had things stolen (a large bag and 2 bikes). That doesn't mean the U.S. is safe and Japan is dangerous but it does illustrate that you can't draw conclusions about entire cultures based on anecdotal experiences. 

While I'm deeply troubled by the political situation in the U.S., this is a very unusual time there because the 9/11 attacks caused the political pendulum to swing so far to the right. People were very reactionary after the first terrorist attack by a foreign national on U.S. soil and foolishly surrendered certain rights in the name of security. This is extremely unfortunate but also understandable. The situation will normalize (hopefully) over the next decade. Perspective must be applied to any analysis of any country's politics and culture. If I've learned anything from living in Japan, it's to look at all sides of a situation and not just one. This is something that Japan does which often is not done in other cultures.

I think J-Rock and Blue hit the nail on the head in terms of the counterbalancing negative points to Blue's positive points about life in Japan.

The bottom line is there is no "utopia" anywhere. Every country and culture has good points and bad points. If you really want to take something of value away from living in a foreign culture, it's to learn that it is useless to elevate one culture over another. To see Japan or any place as perfect is to set yourself up for a big fall into disillusionment later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems this article suffers from balance issues and too much generalization, particularly of the negative aspects of the U.S. (and possibly the U.K. - I&#8217;ve never been there so I can&#8217;t say).</p>
<p>One mistake everyone makes about the U.S. is seeing it as one country represented by its popular culture, politics, and more outspoken speakers. The U.S. is not culturally unified in any way. It&#8217;s a huge place and different areas have very different ways of life and styles of thinking. It&#8217;s more like 5 countries in one (7 if you consider Alaska and Hawaii are also vastly different from the mainland) with a lot of sub-divisions within each &#8220;country&#8221;. On top of that, rural living is vastly different from urban living and there are more people living in rural areas than urban ones.</p>
<p>Life is not nearly as mercenary in the U.S. as is indicated by the author of this post and people aren&#8217;t all running around killing each other or waving guns around. I never experienced any type of crime in the U.S., not even a petty theft. In Japan, I&#8217;ve had things stolen (a large bag and 2 bikes). That doesn&#8217;t mean the U.S. is safe and Japan is dangerous but it does illustrate that you can&#8217;t draw conclusions about entire cultures based on anecdotal experiences. </p>
<p>While I&#8217;m deeply troubled by the political situation in the U.S., this is a very unusual time there because the 9/11 attacks caused the political pendulum to swing so far to the right. People were very reactionary after the first terrorist attack by a foreign national on U.S. soil and foolishly surrendered certain rights in the name of security. This is extremely unfortunate but also understandable. The situation will normalize (hopefully) over the next decade. Perspective must be applied to any analysis of any country&#8217;s politics and culture. If I&#8217;ve learned anything from living in Japan, it&#8217;s to look at all sides of a situation and not just one. This is something that Japan does which often is not done in other cultures.</p>
<p>I think J-Rock and Blue hit the nail on the head in terms of the counterbalancing negative points to Blue&#8217;s positive points about life in Japan.</p>
<p>The bottom line is there is no &#8220;utopia&#8221; anywhere. Every country and culture has good points and bad points. If you really want to take something of value away from living in a foreign culture, it&#8217;s to learn that it is useless to elevate one culture over another. To see Japan or any place as perfect is to set yourself up for a big fall into disillusionment later.</p>
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		<title>By: RMK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RMK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richmond &#62; Mmm you got me on this one. But at least eduaction is (almost) free and teaches you how to think, which doesn't seems to be so right here in Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richmond &gt; Mmm you got me on this one. But at least eduaction is (almost) free and teaches you how to think, which doesn&#8217;t seems to be so right here in Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: Kroni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kroni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, I sound just like a typical Japanese student (uncreative, no individuality, no urge to take any risks, etc...) I've never been to Japan, and I'll probably never move there, but I can say the US is nice. Sure, we've got faults, but the fact that we thrive on conveniances is enough to keep me here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, I sound just like a typical Japanese student (uncreative, no individuality, no urge to take any risks, etc&#8230;) I&#8217;ve never been to Japan, and I&#8217;ll probably never move there, but I can say the US is nice. Sure, we&#8217;ve got faults, but the fact that we thrive on conveniances is enough to keep me here.</p>
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		<title>By: green</title>
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		<dc:creator>green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Blue,
Thanks for the expanded explanation. 
I live in one of the New England states in a town of about 30,000. I lived in Japan for a total of 12 years (1987-1992 and 1996-2003) and have been back here in the US since 2003.
I was very glad to get my daughter out of Japanese school and into public school here. Although she only attended kindergarten and first grade in Japan, from what I saw it was all about rote memorization and doing things the same as everyone else. Kokugo homework was usually something along the lines of: read the essay out loud to your parents 10 times and have them grade your performance. She was also given an assignment to "make friends with a tree" in the school yard. wtf? There wasn't even a glimmer of anything like critical thinking being taught, as far as I could see. When she got to the US and started second grade at the end of the school year here, her class was learning about process writing, something I had to teach my univ students in Japan. Also, she was sometimes teased and ostracized by classmates in Japan because she is "half" but in the US it's not really an issue, except for when people tell they envy her bilingual abilities. 
I find the Japanese educational system very competitive and it seems you can start to see the haves and the have-nots splitting ways around the end of elementary school when parents start sending kids to juku to study for junior high school exams.
I don't really feel qualified to comment on US culture as a whole because I'm not a pundit. I'm a mother, a teacher, a New Englander and a resident of a small-ish town. I can't claim to see the entire big picture.
Politically, it seems like the pendulum is about to swing back, as it always does eventually. Even the Republicans are turning their backs on the President as they gear up to run for re-election. Some national issues are too vast for me to wrap my mind around, but I do email my congressional representatives and senators about issues I care about and they write back. Unlike Japan, government is not so centralized here and state and local governments decide many issues. It's easy to be involved as a citizen participant in matters of local interest and I feel a much greater sense of community here than I did in Japan. Community input plays a big part in the way towns are developed here. The guys with the big money can't just waltz in and build whatever they want. There are planning board meetings and town meetings and people can ask questions about the details of how certain issues will be handled and they expect answers. 
Maybe for me it boils down to the fact that it's not considered rude here to ask questions to people in positions of authority. I felt stifled a lot in Japan. I kept quiet too often because to do otherwise was  inappropriate. I couldn't ask the teacher why he assigned the same reading passage every night for three weeks straight. I couldn't ask why naming a tree in the school yard and learning how to do a jump rope double back cross jump rope was such an important part of the curriculum. (I'd rather let my kid climb trees and jump rope because it's fun, not because it's homework.) I couldn't ask about a lot of things that  puzzled me. I spent most of my early adulthood in Japan and it's taken several years for me to get back to being comfortable questioning things. There is no critical thought without questions. I may just be too "rikutsuppoi" for Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Blue,<br />
Thanks for the expanded explanation.<br />
I live in one of the New England states in a town of about 30,000. I lived in Japan for a total of 12 years (1987-1992 and 1996-2003) and have been back here in the US since 2003.<br />
I was very glad to get my daughter out of Japanese school and into public school here. Although she only attended kindergarten and first grade in Japan, from what I saw it was all about rote memorization and doing things the same as everyone else. Kokugo homework was usually something along the lines of: read the essay out loud to your parents 10 times and have them grade your performance. She was also given an assignment to &#8220;make friends with a tree&#8221; in the school yard. wtf? There wasn&#8217;t even a glimmer of anything like critical thinking being taught, as far as I could see. When she got to the US and started second grade at the end of the school year here, her class was learning about process writing, something I had to teach my univ students in Japan. Also, she was sometimes teased and ostracized by classmates in Japan because she is &#8220;half&#8221; but in the US it&#8217;s not really an issue, except for when people tell they envy her bilingual abilities.<br />
I find the Japanese educational system very competitive and it seems you can start to see the haves and the have-nots splitting ways around the end of elementary school when parents start sending kids to juku to study for junior high school exams.<br />
I don&#8217;t really feel qualified to comment on US culture as a whole because I&#8217;m not a pundit. I&#8217;m a mother, a teacher, a New Englander and a resident of a small-ish town. I can&#8217;t claim to see the entire big picture.<br />
Politically, it seems like the pendulum is about to swing back, as it always does eventually. Even the Republicans are turning their backs on the President as they gear up to run for re-election. Some national issues are too vast for me to wrap my mind around, but I do email my congressional representatives and senators about issues I care about and they write back. Unlike Japan, government is not so centralized here and state and local governments decide many issues. It&#8217;s easy to be involved as a citizen participant in matters of local interest and I feel a much greater sense of community here than I did in Japan. Community input plays a big part in the way towns are developed here. The guys with the big money can&#8217;t just waltz in and build whatever they want. There are planning board meetings and town meetings and people can ask questions about the details of how certain issues will be handled and they expect answers.<br />
Maybe for me it boils down to the fact that it&#8217;s not considered rude here to ask questions to people in positions of authority. I felt stifled a lot in Japan. I kept quiet too often because to do otherwise was  inappropriate. I couldn&#8217;t ask the teacher why he assigned the same reading passage every night for three weeks straight. I couldn&#8217;t ask why naming a tree in the school yard and learning how to do a jump rope double back cross jump rope was such an important part of the curriculum. (I&#8217;d rather let my kid climb trees and jump rope because it&#8217;s fun, not because it&#8217;s homework.) I couldn&#8217;t ask about a lot of things that  puzzled me. I spent most of my early adulthood in Japan and it&#8217;s taken several years for me to get back to being comfortable questioning things. There is no critical thought without questions. I may just be too &#8220;rikutsuppoi&#8221; for Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: Richmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RMK, Can you remind me what the youth unemployment levels are back in France?  

J-Rock, I completely agree with you there.  Both the starry eyed gaijin and those who hate everything about Japan (but continue to live there) drive me crazy.  But I must say I have a real respect for the gaijin who have lived in Japan for 5+ years and still only have wonderful things to say about the place - to me they are in a different league to the starry eyed new chums just off the boat.  (To be honest you sound like one of those guys but you don't wanna admit it!??)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RMK, Can you remind me what the youth unemployment levels are back in France?  </p>
<p>J-Rock, I completely agree with you there.  Both the starry eyed gaijin and those who hate everything about Japan (but continue to live there) drive me crazy.  But I must say I have a real respect for the gaijin who have lived in Japan for 5+ years and still only have wonderful things to say about the place - to me they are in a different league to the starry eyed new chums just off the boat.  (To be honest you sound like one of those guys but you don&#8217;t wanna admit it!??)</p>
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		<title>By: Cakedollar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cakedollar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That "typical London day" pic is simply BS playing on the stereotype of London been covered in fog. It very rarely gets foggy there (but still is rather grey).

Also, I think the guy who has just moved to Japan is still in the "honeymoon" phase - reality will sink in that Japan is just as messed up as any other country, only in different ways :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;typical London day&#8221; pic is simply BS playing on the stereotype of London been covered in fog. It very rarely gets foggy there (but still is rather grey).</p>
<p>Also, I think the guy who has just moved to Japan is still in the &#8220;honeymoon&#8221; phase - reality will sink in that Japan is just as messed up as any other country, only in different ways <img src='http://www.stippy.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: RMK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RMK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm well compared to France I don't know... 

We have free schools and university which teach you how to think, and not 4 years of nomikai with MCQ validated tests, a social welfare system (that cost a lost, I admit) but which is accessible to everyone, a quite multicultural societey (no uyoku back bus every week in front of my office shouting after Chinese) at least in big cities...
So well, taxes are higher in France, I must admit. And contact with other people maybe much more agressive, specially in paris.

But I'm really not sure that I would chose Japan to raise my children (specially if they're half, I still have ijime stories wandering in my head- even if everyone tells me that now its different).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm well compared to France I don&#8217;t know&#8230; </p>
<p>We have free schools and university which teach you how to think, and not 4 years of nomikai with MCQ validated tests, a social welfare system (that cost a lost, I admit) but which is accessible to everyone, a quite multicultural societey (no uyoku back bus every week in front of my office shouting after Chinese) at least in big cities&#8230;<br />
So well, taxes are higher in France, I must admit. And contact with other people maybe much more agressive, specially in paris.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m really not sure that I would chose Japan to raise my children (specially if they&#8217;re half, I still have ijime stories wandering in my head- even if everyone tells me that now its different).</p>
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		<title>By: J-Rock</title>
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		<dc:creator>J-Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I lived in the Japan that this article described, and I'm glad I've never been to the London mentioned above, although I have visited the UK several times and enjoyed my time in the real London a great deal.  Starry-eyed foreigners who set up shop here and go on endlessly about how much better Japan is than their homes are only slightly less annoying than the bitter long-termer who hates everything about the place, but won't go home.

I would love to see some data on Japanese students' performance in relation to their western counterparts.  "3-4 years ahead"?  That is utter rubbish.  In addition, Japanese universities are famous for coddling their students, which may be the reason why ambitious Japanese parents with the means to do so often opt to send their children to elite western schools.  To my knowledge, academically gifted westerners are not busting down the gates at ToDai, Kyoto, Waseda or any of the prestigious Japanese universities.  I work in a Japanese company where most of the employees have advanced level degrees.  I can tell you from my daily interactions with colleagues that the Japanese education system systematically sucks any creativity, individuality and desire to take risks out of students.  And that is in direct comparison with similarly educated westerners.


While the streets of major Japanese cities are relatively safe, it is still a good idea to exercise caution.  I've heard of several people, both Japanese and non-Japanese, who have experienced trouble ranging from swarmings to perverts exposing themselves, to gropers and straight-up theft.  


The undercurrent of racism and xenophobia which still pervades Japan as well as the standard of living (long hours, small living quarters - often poorly insulated, lack of vacation time) are just two more things that I would suggest should prevent it from being labelled "Utopia".  The truth is that no such place exists.  Japan is just like everywhere else.  It does some things very well, and others not so.  I think that article may have been a little bit hard on the US and UK - and/or too easy on Japan.

Don't get me wrong, I have lived in Japan for several years and I enjoy it very much.   In fact, the list of things that I like about the place, would be much longer than my list of grievances.  However to discuss it in such glowing terms while turning a complete blind eye to it's failings is somewhat disingenuous.  For example, no matter how bad hotels in the UK might be, a Japanese tourist will never be turned away simply because they are not British.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I lived in the Japan that this article described, and I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;ve never been to the London mentioned above, although I have visited the UK several times and enjoyed my time in the real London a great deal.  Starry-eyed foreigners who set up shop here and go on endlessly about how much better Japan is than their homes are only slightly less annoying than the bitter long-termer who hates everything about the place, but won&#8217;t go home.</p>
<p>I would love to see some data on Japanese students&#8217; performance in relation to their western counterparts.  &#8220;3-4 years ahead&#8221;?  That is utter rubbish.  In addition, Japanese universities are famous for coddling their students, which may be the reason why ambitious Japanese parents with the means to do so often opt to send their children to elite western schools.  To my knowledge, academically gifted westerners are not busting down the gates at ToDai, Kyoto, Waseda or any of the prestigious Japanese universities.  I work in a Japanese company where most of the employees have advanced level degrees.  I can tell you from my daily interactions with colleagues that the Japanese education system systematically sucks any creativity, individuality and desire to take risks out of students.  And that is in direct comparison with similarly educated westerners.</p>
<p>While the streets of major Japanese cities are relatively safe, it is still a good idea to exercise caution.  I&#8217;ve heard of several people, both Japanese and non-Japanese, who have experienced trouble ranging from swarmings to perverts exposing themselves, to gropers and straight-up theft.  </p>
<p>The undercurrent of racism and xenophobia which still pervades Japan as well as the standard of living (long hours, small living quarters - often poorly insulated, lack of vacation time) are just two more things that I would suggest should prevent it from being labelled &#8220;Utopia&#8221;.  The truth is that no such place exists.  Japan is just like everywhere else.  It does some things very well, and others not so.  I think that article may have been a little bit hard on the US and UK - and/or too easy on Japan.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I have lived in Japan for several years and I enjoy it very much.   In fact, the list of things that I like about the place, would be much longer than my list of grievances.  However to discuss it in such glowing terms while turning a complete blind eye to it&#8217;s failings is somewhat disingenuous.  For example, no matter how bad hotels in the UK might be, a Japanese tourist will never be turned away simply because they are not British.</p>
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