Comments on: Double Byte “Internationalized Domain Names”: A Superficial Alternative (Part 1) http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/ A fresh look at Japan, by gaijins for gaijins! Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:57:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Anonymous http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-81002 Anonymous Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:52:24 +0000 http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-81002 Eat a dick, пожалуйста. Eat a dick, пожалуйста.

]]> By: Dennis Peterson http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-34971 Dennis Peterson Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:40:28 +0000 http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-34971 yes, ハワイ 旅行 (Hawaii travel ) has a lot of competition as it's a highly rated search term. Very surprised to do well with that. Am stating to do well with just ハワイnow also. Another very simple site that does well is ハワイホテル (Hawaii hotels) I have ハワイのホテル waiting if I decide to develop it and have it support other Hawaii domain names. Hard to tell about algorithm. I do better in Yahoo than Google and not good with MS. Would rather do well with Yahoo for Japan. Maybe Google requires more links. Bottom line as I see it is idn's are already capable of producing desirable results. I see an advantage being that idn domain names (for the most part) can be read in someone's native language. Maybe slight advantage. yes, ハワイ 旅行 (Hawaii travel ) has a lot of competition as it’s a highly rated search term. Very surprised to do well with that. Am stating to do well with just ハワイnow also. Another very simple site that does well is ハワイホテル (Hawaii hotels) I have ハワイのホテル waiting if I decide to develop it and have it support other Hawaii domain names.
Hard to tell about algorithm. I do better in Yahoo than Google and not good with MS. Would rather do well with Yahoo for Japan. Maybe Google requires more links.
Bottom line as I see it is idn’s are already capable of producing desirable results. I see an advantage being that idn domain names (for the most part) can be read in someone’s native language. Maybe slight advantage.

]]> By: soteiguy http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-33999 soteiguy Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:57:31 +0000 http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-33999 You've got a good point Dennis - and some damn impressive rankings. I just typed a few into Google and you did very well with both ハワイの写真 and ハワイ 写真. The real killer is if you can get someone to just type ハワイの写真 into the navigation bar as IE is friendly enough to automatically add a .com onto it for you. I noticed that you have some IDN competition in the ハワイ 旅行 search. Some guy with http://www.パラダイス.net/ performs well. I notice that you refer to a bunch of different search sites and have quite different rankings from one to another. Do you know of any obvious differences in the search algorithm when it comes to IDNs at the main culprits (google, yahoo, msn, etc)? You’ve got a good point Dennis - and some damn impressive rankings. I just typed a few into Google and you did very well with both ハワイの写真 and ハワイ 写真. The real killer is if you can get someone to just type ハワイの写真 into the navigation bar as IE is friendly enough to automatically add a .com onto it for you. I noticed that you have some IDN competition in the ハワイ 旅行 search. Some guy with http://www.パラダイス.net/ performs well.
I notice that you refer to a bunch of different search sites and have quite different rankings from one to another. Do you know of any obvious differences in the search algorithm when it comes to IDNs at the main culprits (google, yahoo, msn, etc)?

]]> By: Dennis http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-32843 Dennis Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:46:03 +0000 http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-32843 No, the content was written by myself with help from a Japanese national to find difficult words such as sugar cane field. I admit my Japanese writing is not good and if I decide to get serious about this experiment, I would have the site professionally translated. The "baked" domain name is ハワイの写真. Works fine for me when I type this into my browser. Works fine for my friends in Japan also who are using explorer 7. http://ハワイの写真.com/ was copied from my address bar while on the site. Most people find what they are looking for through search engines. I do get some type in traffic though for the domain name. If my site has terrible content then I am extremely happy with the positioning I have attained with Yahoo, Google etc. Some examples are: ハワイ天候 yahoo 1, ハワイ ワイキキ ストリップ yahoo 1, ハワイ 壁紙yahoo 2, ハワイ休暇 yahoo 2 , ハワイ島 旅行情報 yahoo19, ハワイ島 地図, ハワイ島 ブログ yahoo 5, ﾊﾜｲ島 旅行 yahoo 23, ハワイ島 yahoo 56, ハワイのビキニ写真 yahoo 4, ハワイ写真 msn 20, ハワイの写真 onc 10, ハワイ写真 Big Globe 7, ハワイ島旅行 Google 12, ハワイ島 yahoo 64, ハワイ壁紙 Google 47. Am wondering how many Japanese type in romaji for a search. I talk with Japanese nationals most every day and find not many. A lot of my content is Katakana and my keyboard writes that easily. My next door neighbor ,a Japanese national never uses romaji. Not saying I am altogether correct in how many use it. Curious though. No, the content was written by myself with help from a Japanese national to find difficult words such as sugar cane field. I admit my Japanese writing is not good and if I decide to get serious about this experiment, I would have the site professionally translated.
The “baked” domain name is ハワイの写真. Works fine for me when I type this into my browser. Works fine for my friends in Japan also who are using explorer 7. http://ハワイの写真.com/ was copied from my address bar while on the site.
Most people find what they are looking for through search engines. I do get some type in traffic though for the domain name. If my site has terrible content then I am extremely happy with the positioning I have attained with Yahoo, Google etc. Some examples are: ハワイ天候 yahoo 1, ハワイ ワイキキ ストリップ yahoo 1, ハワイ 壁紙yahoo 2, ハワイ休暇 yahoo 2 , ハワイ島 旅行情報 yahoo19, ハワイ島 地図, ハワイ島 ブログ yahoo 5, ﾊﾜｲ島 旅行 yahoo 23, ハワイ島 yahoo 56, ハワイのビキニ写真 yahoo 4, ハワイ写真 msn 20, ハワイの写真 onc 10, ハワイ写真 Big Globe 7, ハワイ島旅行 Google 12, ハワイ島 yahoo 64, ハワイ壁紙 Google 47.
Am wondering how many Japanese type in romaji for a search. I talk with Japanese nationals most every day and find not many. A lot of my content is Katakana and my keyboard writes that easily. My next door neighbor ,a Japanese national never uses romaji. Not saying I am altogether correct in how many use it. Curious though.

]]> By: Sakakibara http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-31897 Sakakibara Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:59:38 +0000 http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-31897 Looks like the sale went well then hey Gary - congratulations. Are you serious? Why on earth would anyone want to buy this for $5000 USD? You need to take another pill. Looks like the sale went well then hey Gary - congratulations.

Are you serious? Why on earth would anyone want to buy this for $5000 USD? You need to take another pill.

]]> By: Gary http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-28769 Gary Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:26:57 +0000 http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-28769 榊.com - Japanese Kanji IDN Domain Name Symbol Rare Sakaki = 榊 榊.com (xn--k7v.com) Check it out here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Sakaki-com-Japanese-Kanji-IDN-Domain-Name-Symbol-Rare_W0QQitemZ200135948291QQihZ010QQcategoryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Thank, Gary 榊.com - Japanese Kanji IDN Domain Name Symbol Rare

Sakaki = 榊
榊.com (xn--k7v.com)

Check it out here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sakaki-com-Japanese-Kanji-IDN-Domain-Name-Symbol-Rare_W0QQitemZ200135948291QQihZ010QQcategoryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thank,
Gary

]]> By: fuckedgaijin http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-28586 fuckedgaijin Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:07:59 +0000 http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-28586 >> Dennis Peterson Hi again Dennis. I just clicked on your link again, as I tried out the tip above from ヒルズ族 (It didn't seem to work, any other ideas hills-zoku?) This time, I actually read the first paragraph of text on your page. It looks as if you have typed some random text about Hawaii into an automatic on-line translator engine (babelfish?) and just pasted it in as is. It reads horribly. No Japanese person would read past the first line. Even if your SEO results (from the domain name) brought people to the page, they would leave from the same page. Just thought you should know. Very bad content plus a "baked" domain name. What a combination, what a waste of "the Internets". >> Dennis Peterson
Hi again Dennis. I just clicked on your link again, as I tried out the tip above from ヒルズ族 (It didn’t seem to work, any other ideas hills-zoku?)

This time, I actually read the first paragraph of text on your page. It looks as if you have typed some random text about Hawaii into an automatic on-line translator engine (babelfish?) and just pasted it in as is. It reads horribly. No Japanese person would read past the first line. Even if your SEO results (from the domain name) brought people to the page, they would leave from the same page. Just thought you should know. Very bad content plus a “baked” domain name. What a combination, what a waste of “the Internets”.

]]> By: ヒルズ族 http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-28290 ヒルズ族 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:28:59 +0000 http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-28290 to fuckedgaijin: The problem which you experienced is a matter of policy which is isolated to Firefox/Mozilla, which over 95% of Japan does not use. The developers have taken it upon themselves to implement so-called "whitelisting" of certain domain extensions with regard to IDNs. If an extension is whitelisted, then it shows as expected in the address bar after you visit it. If it is not whitelisted, then you see the punycode URL instead (what you are complaining about). Most country-code top level domains, e.g. .jp, .de, etc are whitelisted. The .com and .net extensions are not whitelisted, because the Mozilla developers do not like it that Verisign allows mixed-script IDN registrations such as ヒルズ族abc.com, etc. If you visit ヒルズ族.jp and ヒルズ族.com, you will see what I am talking about. If you want to add a whitelist for .com and .net, type about:config into the address bar, right click in the main parge of the page, choose new -> boolean, name it network.IDN.whitelist.com, and set it to "true". Repeat for .net. Internet Explorer 7, Opera, and Safari do not have this problem. to fuckedgaijin:

The problem which you experienced is a matter of policy which is isolated to Firefox/Mozilla, which over 95% of Japan does not use. The developers have taken it upon themselves to implement so-called “whitelisting” of certain domain extensions with regard to IDNs. If an extension is whitelisted, then it shows as expected in the address bar after you visit it. If it is not whitelisted, then you see the punycode URL instead (what you are complaining about). Most country-code top level domains, e.g. .jp, .de, etc are whitelisted. The .com and .net extensions are not whitelisted, because the Mozilla developers do not like it that Verisign allows mixed-script IDN registrations such as ヒルズ族abc.com, etc. If you visit ヒルズ族.jp and ヒルズ族.com, you will see what I am talking about. If you want to add a whitelist for .com and .net, type about:config into the address bar, right click in the main parge of the page, choose new -> boolean, name it network.IDN.whitelist.com, and set it to “true”. Repeat for .net. Internet Explorer 7, Opera, and Safari do not have this problem.

]]> By: fuckedgaijin http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-27713 fuckedgaijin Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:46:04 +0000 http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-27713 >> Dennis Peterson I just clicked on your URL by clicking on your name above. It took me to a url called: http://xn--u9jwf6e6e255o0b9b.com I assume that this is supposed to be an IDN?? It was displayed only as that crazy bunch of characters for me. Does the IDN show (in proper Japanese) for anyone else? I am using the very latest version of Firefox.. Anyway, I think that this is what the author is trying to tell us here. I still have no idea what your domain name is. I assume it is something about Hawaii, as that is what your page content is about, but otherwise, you have a mojibake'd domain name for me. >> Dennis Peterson
I just clicked on your URL by clicking on your name above.
It took me to a url called: http://xn--u9jwf6e6e255o0b9b.com

I assume that this is supposed to be an IDN?? It was displayed only as that crazy bunch of characters for me. Does the IDN show (in proper Japanese) for anyone else? I am using the very latest version of Firefox..

Anyway, I think that this is what the author is trying to tell us here. I still have no idea what your domain name is. I assume it is something about Hawaii, as that is what your page content is about, but otherwise, you have a mojibake’d domain name for me.

]]> By: Bruce http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-27567 Bruce Sat, 04 Aug 2007 08:53:56 +0000 http://www.stippy.com/japan-tech/idn-double-byte-japanese-domain-names-1/#comment-27567 Thanks to both ヒルズ族 and Takeda-san. I am not by any measure a UNIX wizard but I did work for 12 months in Japan as a UNIX sysadmin alongside Japanese sysadmins and as Takeda-san points out they never had any trouble with UNIX. I think that people who like the idea of double-byte domain names will probably be marketing/business people and people who are against the idea will be geeks. Personally I think double-byte domain names is an unecessary backwards step. But hey if someone can make money out of it and if it makes old Japanese people happy then I don't mind. It's all good :-) Thanks to both ヒルズ族 and Takeda-san.

I am not by any measure a UNIX wizard but I did work for 12 months in Japan as a UNIX sysadmin alongside Japanese sysadmins and as Takeda-san points out they never had any trouble with UNIX.

I think that people who like the idea of double-byte domain names will probably be marketing/business people and people who are against the idea will be geeks. Personally I think double-byte domain names is an unecessary backwards step.

But hey if someone can make money out of it and if it makes old Japanese people happy then I don’t mind. It’s all good :-)

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